mr. VP, you are still not being straight with the american people...
now playing: graham nash, "simple man"
boy, oh, boy...
has the shit ever been flying around today, with regards to the lies Cheney dropped so effortlessly last night as proof of his statements....
i don't want to walk in the footsteps of others who've already done the work, but i do want to touch on a few of these - for the benefit of those who don't often visit any of the sites over to the right...
over at daily kos, the debunking machine has been going full force since before the debate was even over. they were the first site (to my knowledge) to actually display pictures of cheney and edwards together right after cheney made the statement that "In my capacity as vice president, I am the president of Senate, the presiding officer. I'm up in the Senate most Tuesdays when they're in session. The first time I ever met you was when you walked on the stage tonight."
apparently, not only were they together at the 2001 prayer breakfast pictured above, but edwards also escorted elizabeth dole (whom, i might note, has skillfully evaded the "carpetbagger" label attached to hillary clinton when she ran for senate in her non-native state when she ran for senate in a state other than kansas) to her inauguration, which was presided over by...
...yeah. dick cheney.
(if you click that last link, you'll note that it's been mentioned that Tim Russert has said that the two actually met backstage on his show, as well...)
atrios was on this literally minutes after the debate concluded.
now, going back to what he said about being "up in the senate most tuesdays...."
another diarist (still hate the word "blogger") over at kos managed to do some research and found that edwards has actually presided over the senate as many times as cheney has this past four years....twice each. Edwards presided over the Senate on october 16th, 2001 and march 5th of 2002...while cheney saw fit to show up on november 12th of 2002 and january 7th of 2003.
twice each.
i brought upon myself the misfortune of having left MSNBC on afterwards, and i couldn't believe my ears...if there'd been five pundits instead of four, i don't know how they'd have arranged their heads so that they could all kiss cheney's ass simultaneously the way they did.
Andrea Mitchell: "I think Dick Cheney did awfully well at, first of all, putting John Edwards in his place, saying that I have been presiding over the Senate and I didn't meet you until tonight. Talking about his not having been on the job was pretty devastating."
Scarborough: "You know, I got in trouble last week when I said George Bush lost that debate. I tell you, tonight, no doubt about it. Edwards got obliterated by Dick Cheney."
Chris "Tweety" Matthews: "I think the analogy would be a water pistol against a machine gun. Every once in a while, Edwards would take a squirt at the vice president, and then the vice president would just turn the Howitzer on the guy."
Ron Reagan was in over his head trying to balance out the rest of the puckered-up lineup last night...but thankfully, olbermann was watching the same debate as the rest of us:
"A major truth foul has been declared against Vice President Dick Cheney, and his narrow victory over John Edwards in last night's Light Heavyweight Debate has been overturned by the Boxing Commission scoring the bout (me).
While rounds were scored even and Edwards was ahead on points at its conclusion, Cheney had been awarded the contest on the intangibles and the overall impact— largely because of a memorable phrase that underpinned his left-right combination that nailed Edwards in the solar plexus of his inexperience and the breadbasket of his alleged prioritizing of electioneering instead of Senatorial work: "In my capacity as vice president, I am the president of Senate, the presiding officer. I'm up in the Senate most Tuesdays when they're in session. The first time I ever met you was when you walked on the stage tonight."
But Cheney and Edwards have met at least twice, once inside the Senate. Who did the Vice President know, and when did he know him?Within an hour of the last of the 21 rounds, a "freeze frame" from a C-SPAN telecast of Senator Edwards and Vice President Cheney at a 2001 Prayer Breakfast was being circulated around the internet.
And by morning, the Kerry-Edwards campaign had produced irrefutable evidence that when Elizabeth Dole was sworn in by Senate President Cheney as the junior senator from North Carolina just last year, it was Senator Edwards who (with her husband) escorted her to Mr. Cheney. Senator Dole was sworn in using Mrs. Edwards' bible."
those pretty much sum up the two main points...although there's certainly a thing or two to be said about cheney's denial that he ever linked 9/11 and iraq, but that's old news.
at least he was good enough to direct people to a non-existent "factcheck.com" site to get the facts on his ties to halliburton, the site was only to happy to bite the hand that misidentified it:
"Cheney got our domain name wrong -- calling us "FactCheck.com" -- and wrongly implied that we had rebutted allegations Edwards was making about what Cheney had done as chief executive officer of Halliburton.
In fact, we did post an article pointing out that Cheney hasn't profited personally while in office from Halliburton's Iraq contracts, as falsely implied by a Kerry TV ad. But Edwards was talking about Cheney's responsibility for earlier Halliburton troubles. And in fact, Edwards was mostly right."
i was a little disappointed after the debate, frankly...i was fully expecting cheney's head to change colors and burst like a big water balloon at some point, what with his famous temper and all - so it wasn't the home run i thought it'd be...but it was a solid extra-base hit...and i think the post-debate debunking will probably drive the run in.
however, i'll say this one more time...if one of these assholes doesn't soon put the 87 billion dollar issue to rest, i'm going to bust a blood vessel.
it's very simple. here, i'll even say it for you...
"there was a huge difference between the $87B i voted for and the $87B i voted against...and the american people should know that your president was already threatening to veto the second $87B, because we wanted it to be a loan, and george w. bush wanted to make it a gift. he wanted to hand your tax dollars over to iraq without any strings attached. so, yes...i voted against it."
sorry, man...but how fucking hard IS that?
boy, oh, boy...
has the shit ever been flying around today, with regards to the lies Cheney dropped so effortlessly last night as proof of his statements....
i don't want to walk in the footsteps of others who've already done the work, but i do want to touch on a few of these - for the benefit of those who don't often visit any of the sites over to the right...
over at daily kos, the debunking machine has been going full force since before the debate was even over. they were the first site (to my knowledge) to actually display pictures of cheney and edwards together right after cheney made the statement that "In my capacity as vice president, I am the president of Senate, the presiding officer. I'm up in the Senate most Tuesdays when they're in session. The first time I ever met you was when you walked on the stage tonight."
apparently, not only were they together at the 2001 prayer breakfast pictured above, but edwards also escorted elizabeth dole (whom, i might note, has skillfully evaded the "carpetbagger" label attached to hillary clinton when she ran for senate in her non-native state when she ran for senate in a state other than kansas) to her inauguration, which was presided over by...
...yeah. dick cheney.
(if you click that last link, you'll note that it's been mentioned that Tim Russert has said that the two actually met backstage on his show, as well...)
atrios was on this literally minutes after the debate concluded.
now, going back to what he said about being "up in the senate most tuesdays...."
another diarist (still hate the word "blogger") over at kos managed to do some research and found that edwards has actually presided over the senate as many times as cheney has this past four years....twice each. Edwards presided over the Senate on october 16th, 2001 and march 5th of 2002...while cheney saw fit to show up on november 12th of 2002 and january 7th of 2003.
twice each.
i brought upon myself the misfortune of having left MSNBC on afterwards, and i couldn't believe my ears...if there'd been five pundits instead of four, i don't know how they'd have arranged their heads so that they could all kiss cheney's ass simultaneously the way they did.
Andrea Mitchell: "I think Dick Cheney did awfully well at, first of all, putting John Edwards in his place, saying that I have been presiding over the Senate and I didn't meet you until tonight. Talking about his not having been on the job was pretty devastating."
Scarborough: "You know, I got in trouble last week when I said George Bush lost that debate. I tell you, tonight, no doubt about it. Edwards got obliterated by Dick Cheney."
Chris "Tweety" Matthews: "I think the analogy would be a water pistol against a machine gun. Every once in a while, Edwards would take a squirt at the vice president, and then the vice president would just turn the Howitzer on the guy."
Ron Reagan was in over his head trying to balance out the rest of the puckered-up lineup last night...but thankfully, olbermann was watching the same debate as the rest of us:
"A major truth foul has been declared against Vice President Dick Cheney, and his narrow victory over John Edwards in last night's Light Heavyweight Debate has been overturned by the Boxing Commission scoring the bout (me).
While rounds were scored even and Edwards was ahead on points at its conclusion, Cheney had been awarded the contest on the intangibles and the overall impact— largely because of a memorable phrase that underpinned his left-right combination that nailed Edwards in the solar plexus of his inexperience and the breadbasket of his alleged prioritizing of electioneering instead of Senatorial work: "In my capacity as vice president, I am the president of Senate, the presiding officer. I'm up in the Senate most Tuesdays when they're in session. The first time I ever met you was when you walked on the stage tonight."
But Cheney and Edwards have met at least twice, once inside the Senate. Who did the Vice President know, and when did he know him?Within an hour of the last of the 21 rounds, a "freeze frame" from a C-SPAN telecast of Senator Edwards and Vice President Cheney at a 2001 Prayer Breakfast was being circulated around the internet.
And by morning, the Kerry-Edwards campaign had produced irrefutable evidence that when Elizabeth Dole was sworn in by Senate President Cheney as the junior senator from North Carolina just last year, it was Senator Edwards who (with her husband) escorted her to Mr. Cheney. Senator Dole was sworn in using Mrs. Edwards' bible."
those pretty much sum up the two main points...although there's certainly a thing or two to be said about cheney's denial that he ever linked 9/11 and iraq, but that's old news.
at least he was good enough to direct people to a non-existent "factcheck.com" site to get the facts on his ties to halliburton, the site was only to happy to bite the hand that misidentified it:
"Cheney got our domain name wrong -- calling us "FactCheck.com" -- and wrongly implied that we had rebutted allegations Edwards was making about what Cheney had done as chief executive officer of Halliburton.
In fact, we did post an article pointing out that Cheney hasn't profited personally while in office from Halliburton's Iraq contracts, as falsely implied by a Kerry TV ad. But Edwards was talking about Cheney's responsibility for earlier Halliburton troubles. And in fact, Edwards was mostly right."
i was a little disappointed after the debate, frankly...i was fully expecting cheney's head to change colors and burst like a big water balloon at some point, what with his famous temper and all - so it wasn't the home run i thought it'd be...but it was a solid extra-base hit...and i think the post-debate debunking will probably drive the run in.
however, i'll say this one more time...if one of these assholes doesn't soon put the 87 billion dollar issue to rest, i'm going to bust a blood vessel.
it's very simple. here, i'll even say it for you...
"there was a huge difference between the $87B i voted for and the $87B i voted against...and the american people should know that your president was already threatening to veto the second $87B, because we wanted it to be a loan, and george w. bush wanted to make it a gift. he wanted to hand your tax dollars over to iraq without any strings attached. so, yes...i voted against it."
sorry, man...but how fucking hard IS that?
posted by tom at 15:30
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